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After signed Form 8453-FE attached, the signed version doesn't show in the pdf for the E-file

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April 1, 2021
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I've completed the Estate Tax return using "Business" and successfully attached the signed form 8453-FE to the return. At least, TurboTax says I've successfully attached it, as I can view it in the Attachments window. But when I produce the PDF for the E-File only the unsigned version of the form shows up. I want to be sure the IRS gets the signed version when I e-file!

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Best answer by Anonymous_

@BobS21 wrote:

......when I produce the PDF for the E-File only the unsigned version of the form shows up. I want to be sure the IRS gets the signed version when I e-file!

That is perfectly normal and typical behavior; the form in the Forms List is just the unsigned form.

The signed form is (or should be) saved on your computer as a PDF. I would recommend saving the signed, scanned 8453-FE in the same folder (or on the same media) as your .tax file and the PDF from the 1041 you filed.

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Anonymous_Answer

@BobS21 wrote:

......when I produce the PDF for the E-File only the unsigned version of the form shows up. I want to be sure the IRS gets the signed version when I e-file!

That is perfectly normal and typical behavior; the form in the Forms List is just the unsigned form.

The signed form is (or should be) saved on your computer as a PDF. I would recommend saving the signed, scanned 8453-FE in the same folder (or on the same media) as your .tax file and the PDF from the 1041 you filed.

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RB287a

Thanks to the OP, BobS21 for posting this and thanks to tagteam for the replies letting us know the details when TT leaves us wondering. This forum really helps cover for many issues of TT. My TT for Business efile screen didn't specify to look in Tools menu it just said
-You currently have form 8453 attached to your return. To view this attachment select Attachments in the upper right of your screen-
Leaving me a bit confused, but looking now in (upper Left) Tools->Attachments shows my attached sign sheet (by filename) and it says -it will be sent out with your tax return-

That would apply to efiling, since the PDF print doesn't include the signature copy we'd have to be manually sign it on a mailed return. Thanks for this thread it helped me.

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DianeW777

I have the same issue/question, not only with Form 8453, but also with Form 2553. Both required my signature. Additionally, in my case, there is an attachment to Form 2553 that I must submit to IRS together with the Form 2553.

I followed TurboTax instructions to produce PDF files of F8453 and F2553 with signatures, including the attachment to F2553, and uploaded them according to the instructions. These PDF files did show up in the list of TurboTax's "Attachments".

The problem causing my(our) concerns is that, before or after e-filing, the printout from TurboxTax does not show the signed F8453, signed F2553, and my attachment to F2553.

Yes, I still have a copy of them in my hard drive. I can easily open, view, and print them out. That is not the issue. The issue is, after e-filing, I am not sure whether TurboTax has sent IRS the signed copies and the extra attachment or not.

Apparently some people who replied earlier in this thread missed the point. They did not get what my (our) issues are.

Any forms filed with your tax return should be kept in the tax file in the business records. As long as you have the forms you uploaded that's what's important. You can always contact the IRS or create a business account that allows access to view the business information. The business transcripts may possibly show these forms on file.

IRS Business Tax Account

An authorized person for the company can also call at some point to confirm the forms are part of the return that was e-filed. TurboTax is required to meet certain IRS requirements to be allowed to e-file returns.

IRS Telephone Assistance for Business Customers

@yahu2us

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rmfrog1

This same situation occurs with Tax Year 2021. This NEEDS TO BE FIXED!! How am I to tell if the SIGNED 8453 was included in the file transmitted to the IRS when the file saved in the PDF is unsigned??

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Anonymous_

@rmfrog1 wrote:

How am I to tell if the SIGNED 8453 was included in the file transmitted to the IRS when the file saved in the PDF is unsigned??

You can save the PDF on your computer (or other media as a separate file) but how can you tell if you e-filed anything other than the confirmation e-mail from Intuit?

There is no electronic postmark as there is in the TurboTax individual income tax preparation products.

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lanstrah

why doesnt signed copy show

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Anonymous_

@lanstrah wrote:

why doesnt signed copy show

You save the signed copy of the 8453-FE on your computer (after you have signed it and scanned it in).

Critter-3

Ok ... the signed PDF copy is attached to the efiled return but it is NOT added to the PDF of the return in the program file... it is not integrated in the program PDF files. It is just that simple ... the only copy in the program PDF will remain unsigned so simply keep the paper copy you signed and uploaded with the paper copy of the return you may have printed out of the program.

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stuckinnova

This problem still exists. TT Tech Support says that the 1041 File Package contains the signed Form 8453-FE (the same as shown in file saved in the 'Attachment' under the Tools Pulldown Menu). It is concerning that the 1041 Package available to the user for downloading after the return has been filed with the IRS doesn't show the signed Form 8453-FE but only the unsigned version. Certainly what is available to the user to save for his records is not the same as filed with the IRS, as advertised. I guess that the user will be contacted by the IRS if the actually submitted version of the Form 8453-FE is unsigned, there is an amount due with the return, and the IRS can't get easily collect the money due. We shall see! A nit is that the user instructions are to check that the uploaded signed Form 8453-FE is verified via the 'Attachments' selection in the "Upper Right" portion of the menu bar. Of course, the 'Attachments' selection is buried under the 'Tools' pulldown menu.

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mglauner

You really don't need to send the IRS a signed Form 8453, unless some other documents are required to be sent in with it (per the boxes checked on the form).

Here's more info on Form 8453.

@stuckinnova

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stuckinnova

Marilyn,

IF Form 8453-FE is not required, except under the conditions you have referenced, then why is there not an option on the TT Business & Trust Program to bypass including that form. Currently, the user must go thru an extended process to create a signed Form 8453-FE (using external resources) and upload it to the TT program so that it can be included in the Fiduciary version of the electronically submitted 1041 package to the IRS.

Thanks, Don